The Roots Podcast

2017 my mom passed away from cancer throughout that like time of watching her battle with cancer I kind of realized like man this shit's precious is Indiana special or is it not it is special for people who are willing to put in a little bit of effort finding ways to make money digitally and online but then I'm parking it in things like real estate so I have to know who has been the coolest hooer oh wow all right welcome back to the roots podcast today we have on Nate spangle Nate spangle is a good friend a fellow entrepreneur and real estate investor uh you probably know Nate from his locally famous Instagram reals Nate spangle got to go follow him but Nate is indeed creating a massive Indiana media business that shines a light on really cool thing hooers are doing he has a huge social following he has a great podcast the get and podcasts and he has more energy than probably anyone I've ever met I found that out when we were running the full Monon together uh which was a blast got to know Nate really well so Nate we're pumped to have you on dude the full MO that's a little bit of PTSD right there going back to that but we rocked it for like the first 23 yeah we were listening to Zach Bryan singing and high five and you're just cruising and then all of a sudden you hit like a cliff and it's like yeah that K Cliff came pretty quick at what point in Indie is that Cliff like okay so if you start in Sheridan the cliff comes at the second Red Bridge on the monan uh in Broadripple yeah I think like we didn't even like the cliff was we didn't even get to I thought Brad would give me a second wind no I was already kind of like too far gone didn't do uh nutrition right and ended up finding that cliff on the second Red Bridge yeah no that sounds like a terrible day it was so great I loved it it was legitimately the best day of the year for me it was like my misogi this year for sure Mogi yes is that dude the Japanese TR tradition or whatever it is that one day impacts your other 364 where you do something really really hard that you have a 50-50 shot of completing like uh last year it was uh run a full like do do an Iron Man this year was the full Mo next year I'm hoping we get a crew to go rim to rim to rim the Grand Canyon but it's you you take on a task where you have a roughly Japanese like something really hard that brings out true self and it's like if you stack that up over 40 years right it's like every year you've done a life defining thing for you've done you've done 40 life defining things it's almost like a theme of the year it's like this is the year of the full Mo it kind of that's sick I love it was my Mogi like I didn't know that word but now say that so reflection it's like a Jessie itler thing I think I mean it's like a a lot of people do a thing like this but Jesse itler started it and I think this most recent one because every year it gets a little bit crazier so his most recent one I think was biking across the country like literally just ho on a bicycle and said I'm going to rip from coast to coast that's sick so that catch me in 15 years trying to find how to up like to outdo the full moow and then outdo remember you got to keep leveling it up yeah absolutely it's gonna get extreme yep I love it well to put this thing back on the rails I'd love to get to know you um man I love your Instagram the energy just in the room here I know how you have success on Instagram because it just it jumps through the phone right um dude what day did you wake up and you go I'm going to love Indie more than any other resident of this city or this state what day was that when did you become obsessed with our our uh great land here dude all right I'm gonna do you one even better and it is I love Indiana I love Indianapolis but it's less about that uh it's about just like loving every day and this is gonna sound really really flaky and really really but I'm I promise you there's a there there sound like a Pinterest quote there goes the HM card yeah right um but okay so I'm gonna get deep for a second so when I was in college I was 20 2017 my mom passed away from cancer and I was kind of like an I would say average right like I didn't wake up early I like knew that I wanted to be an entrepreneurship and small business but I like you know never really carried anything through and then uh throughout that like time of watching her battle with cancer I kind of realized like man this shit's precious like life is super super short and you only have a certain amount of time to like actually make an impact and so then I just decided one day like somewhere in that time when I was like sulking or whatever that I was going to make a big impact wherever I was so I went back to college and ended up winning like homecoming king or whatever it was for depa right so like because I just was invi invested in everything that was my local community there then I ended up moving to India I was part of the or fellowship and tried to just make people smile and have fun and I was the chief morale officer for the or Fellowship that couldn't be a better time right exactly like come on like I was I was the CMO and they're oh Chief Market I was like no no no morale and that was like right during the covid time too where everyone was in their house I was like and I started making videos I started making videos at TOA for the football team and then I started making videos a weekly morale Monday where I would just like do something silly at my house and share it with all the orfs to like make them smile and then from there um like got really involved in that Community got and then from there I was just like what's the next community and I was like well I'm no longer an ORF fellow I kind of finished that program and I was like what about just the state like I love everything about the state I want to help shine light and do cool things and and it also helps when there's momentum like I started to post some of like the things that I thought about like my coffee shop recommendations or this or that and when people start to watch it and they're like oh man like you are you're good at this like you bring them energy to it it's it just kind of fuels the fire so do you think Indianapolis or Indiana is actually special and has something unique or do you think you're just want to make it unique um I think that it is special but it's because it has this is going to sound very conceited and I apologize but like I have the wherewithal to go and find the things like the average person is going to look at it for service it's almost like a challenge yes very kind the average person looks at it for face level like ah fly over State corn whatever and I'm like no I'll find I'll run 31 miles on the Monon to promote Max uh taking a 5K walk right CU I saw Nate run this whole thing and make this whole video about it like I could go out there and like push my stroller and you know walk on the Monon or I'm going to eat four tenderloins in a day so you eat four tender or EA tenderloin right like I'll do all this crazy social media challenging stuff to help promote the state of Indiana because there is amazing things here and but it's not like Colorado where all you have to do is look up the sky and you know aha I'm supposed to why people love it so much well it's literally finding the hidden gym which you're the hid hidden gym guy like you have to go out and search for it I love the video at uh French Lick at only time I've been to French Lick just got completely wiped and and lost money oh didn't go outside and play golf didn't go sounds dude it was very generous to me I'll say but but like to the the root of your question right is is inen special or is it not um it is special for people who are willing to put in a little bit of effort and go out and do these things it's not just handed to you like a beach it's not handed to you like a mountain you have to find it it takes a little bit of effort a little bit of creativity I think that's a little bit of growing up in a small town like there wasn't well you have the actual story you grew up in Bourbon Indiana which I always joked that I passed there and it was like one gas station that was one stop gas station and a joury end the local bar shout out to Journeys uh and and you had to be creative you know we were doing stupid Farm Boy like really dumb things but that's how we like entertained ourselves uh fast forward to now I'm here and I can get still be creative and find out these things and Discover it and then make a video about it to help promote like if I do the crazy Grand Slam French Lick weekend maybe you'll go down there and stay for a night and Gamble and like eat a steak dinner and maybe not lose money maybe not lose money right um is there a promo code to get the the odd use code nate4 to get your uh to get one free one free spin on the roulette wheel hey that that could change the odds of the entire weekend right there right um man that's so cool I love I love the vision of it's not you you don't wake up you don't do the social media just to to Garner a following you do it uh even going back to the story of your mom it's just that passion of wanting to live and share that's that's amazing that's uh it's cool to see the the vision behind the the post because I followed you for a while and watching I'm like it's just a guy with a lot of energy well know this guy has a story and a purpose yeah and I think that that that's like my gift right like I can walk into most rooms and be super hyper and energetic and it used to get me in trouble in school for talking and now it like is what I do for a living uh and I do think that the ability to bring the energy and like hype stuff up can take something I'm trying to think of like like a small town in Indiana that like other people would look at and be like uh like why do I care about Plymouth Indiana and I'm like well if you look at this and you look at this and like we say it in a really hype voice like it was going to get people to go and do it and try it and then they're going to be like huh I had no idea there was so much art and culture right in my backyard in Marshall County I had no idea there was a massive uh what 250,000 person Festival all around blueberries in Northern Indiana where people come from all across the country to look at the hot a balloons and do all the stuff like here in in Indiana so I have to know um spill your secrets who has been the coolest hooer that you've met in your oh wow see uh coolest is so for you for for me yeah I love the nd500 which is crazy because I didn't know anything about the n500 coming from Bourbon Indiana and then I moved here and got in assimilated into race culture and so this is an unreleased episode I don't know when this podcast will go live but after the first of the year I'm going to drop my episode with Doug bus who is the president of the IMF super and that was a cool one because I that was kind of my launching Point into uh like doing this fulltime was like I bought this old truck on Facebook Marketplace and flipped it up sold $10,000 worth of sponsorship drove was the first truck through the north gate at the n500 and after that like literally maybe the Monday or whatever the Tuesday after Memorial Day I told my boss I was quitting I was going to do this full-time and so that was May this year that was May this year that was a long day cool with the with the rain weather dude it was a crazy day I'll never forget it like it was so much fun it was crazy like all of a sudden all these Tailgators are like looking at me like this is your tailgate like are we staying are we going I'm like oh I the boss of all this you were the boss of the 500 that year guess so I was looking for you but having Doug on was super cool um I've gotten to like chitchat with some Colts players like those are always cool just because it's like you see them on Sunday like playing on the field followup question to that is what is the most underrated small town in Indiana I've asked you this before but I'm curious what you'll say uh I have two I have three okay I have three I have three uh first off is Jasper Jasper's down by French like jper Jasper's dope uh very much German Heritage The Story Goes that in 1838 uh there was a Catholic Minister Catholic priest who was settling the area there was like six families there he thought it looked kind of like their Homeland in Germany there wasn't a lot going on he wrote all these letters back and convinced all these German immigrants to come over and they got and he's like the community is so great y y y they showed up and then they're like where's the community he's like you're the community now we have to build it and like that's why like German American Bank is headquartered there well the original one was Ferdinand and then they told him to go they built Jasper like people the the huge like family extended families and stuff yes fer isn't they're both German cities yes but Ferd's like the smaller original one that nobody really but Jasper gets all the love and then Jasper is also the incoming Governor Mike Brun he's from Jasper so they're super cool the Schnitzelbank there uh is a pH probably the best Heritage of any Indianapolis City that Indiana city yeah it just got a through line from like its establishment to now and I I passed through it recently so that's why I know the German theme is like just very evident there yes it's really like on the side of the buildings and in the architecture it's super cool and you can just feel history another one that's like that is Madison down on the river they're trying to be the music capital of of IND Indiana um is like their thing they want to be the live music Place uh down on the river they do a ton of cool festivals and there's it's just beautiful down there I really like Madison and then this is one that's close to home would be Warsaw so I think Warsaw is the orthopedic capital of the world so meaning like knees shoulders joints all that stuff Zimmer bioms up there and the wona lake specifically there is beautiful it's a little village and I think they're just like growing like like every time I go back home there's like a new restaurant that's put into wora like and you grew up around there like did you lot as a kid not wona Lake because that's like that's a little a little ritzy Lake I don't know this part so I have no clue yeah but it's it's we were we would go and like hang out in the village of wona and get ice cream or whatever but no not actually go in the water um but I just think that that Warsaw is up and to the right for sure and there's like more investment being put in there and I mean their that they're an international company and they're doing big things completely just went boom over my head way to a high level of Indi it I have to ask a follow question I was like should I ask this should I not which of those three cities would you invest in like which would you buy their stock or buy real estate in those uh surprisingly not Jasper okay I think that it's just they have like the most like what like uh public traded companies of any Indiana something like that yes like there's a lot of international public traded companies in Indiana or like you have a strong business culture there yes they do but I don't know necessarily know if it's like as touristy as a Madison on the river or as Warsaw with like the Lakes there's a ton of like like tip canoe W SE like those are all pretty close to Warsaw uh obviously wiona Lake I think that if I were like investing from a real estate perspective it would be up around there doing lake houses up on Tipo or W they're expensive but like getting in or around that area up in Kiosco County and some of the Lakes up there I think would be the move yeah I think that's where my lens goes back to is like I don't know it from the real estate sales perspective cuz it's all relationships for us like how we get outside of our 465 Loop is through our own relationships in community Say Hey I want to go buy a house up here right and then we travel up that way obviously we can go and and be a you know resident of Indiana and go and explore but there's like boom facts about each and every one which is super cool um you mentioned investment though the the first place I met you was at a investor Meetup called you know the roots master class and wow I wonder who the guys who put that together I know they're pretty cool too right um but yeah you're at the The Roots Indie investor master class and we were talking about some of the Investments you have that's something most may not know and also you know when people go and look through your social media they're going to go well this guy does nothing about real estate but owns real estate which is a cool perspective for our our audience to go you can go after what you're passionate about but also still own investment properties oh yeah um I think that's so smart and it's like you see the kind of one of the ones that like I get interested in something and I just like go try to do it so I think I had seen a blog post or read a an article or a forum somewhere about house hacking and that was the first thing I did so I had like saved up all my money from all my side hustles and weird things that I did during college uh and I invested that and I bought a house right when I graduated and I rented it out to three of my fraternity brothers and all of a sudden like every 22-year-old's biggest expense is rent and all of a sudden I'm getting paid to live every month so then I took all that partnered up with one of my with my college roommate and a buddy and we bought another house in Broad Ripple and we parlayed that one into another house and so now I have two or I'm a part owner and two um rental properties in Broad Ripple and then I have my house and a tenant there which is fun um so still house hacking now still I'm I'm ready to graduate and kind of get out of that mode I mean I'm 27 now and I'm not as Keen of having a roommate um even though you know it's great whatever it's good I no complaints there I'm kind of ready for the space but I've done it yeah for the last five years when did you buy that one five years ago uh 2019 yeah you could probably just take a helck on it and go and buy another house uh yes there not have a mortgage and still rent that one out yeah I could um it so then there becomes a point though where um I loved it I was really interested in it I'm I would say I'm not not interested in real estate but I'm less interested in putting the time into it like I'm man it's not your main thing no like it's a cool passive side investment yes yeah the reason I brought up the HELOC was not to say go buy a bunch of properties but to say over the past five years you've accumulated you know wealth to be able to go and be a vehicle driver I mean when I bought it it was like $180,000 house in Broad rle like I'm right by broad Park you can't find those they like I think I not at all like the estimate is 330 like that's his estimate Fair it's not quite that much but it's still like there's a decent chunk of equity built up there yeah so two-part question one is there a strategy with the Broad Ripple like is there a reason you bought it there and then two even the Monon you said the broad that Broad Ripple is supposed to be your uh motivation and will to finish I thought it would be uh so I chose that because that's where I wanted to live and then when we were buying houses I wanted to be close cuz like the last thing I want is like a call from a tenant at fing 1 p.m. and I have to drive to Fortville you know like that would just be so extra brutal like one of the houses is four blocks from my house like where I actually live and one of my rentals is four blocks away and the other one is seven minutes so it's just convenient for me in my lifestyle like I don't want to leave my little how are those um going like have they been smooth sailing or one of them has been amazing so easy so like and it makes all the money the other one is just a pain you know like between that is the issue you run into with broad rle it's where some of the houses are older and there's issues and you know you have to replace this that b bement has water in it all that stuff I mean all in all is it it's not the worst thing like it's not as like crazy where it's like oh my gosh I'm worried that it's going to bankrupt us but it's not just like hey just you know autopilot cash flow think that's the thing about real estate I just had a pipe burst out of rental on Sunday I got a call from the next door neighbor who was like you talk about right now was rental properties I was just like going out to my front porch sipping coffee and I saw water pouring out of your front door and I get that call and so I'm like right now like H like rental properties kind of suck but then like next week You' ask me i' be like they're amazing so I feel like with rentals when it's bad it's really bad and costly when it R dude it's like 100k of equity that's like amazing it's really hard to find the balance I find with rentals at least yeah it's always seems to be just time in the market and that's like the the cheesy thing to say it's not time in the market time in the market but it's like stuff like that happens but also 10 years from now you won't care about yeah and it's like I mean okay I bought the house my first house I plan to never sell it like after I move into like my grown-up house like I'm not going to say my house like a starter house it's great really good for me but one day you know I want to live in a nicer where's Nate uh I I'm not I have no plans to leave uh the greater broader Bol Meridian Kessler area at the moment but ask me in a few years and I don't know I'm I'm I'm a free agent at some point so if someone wants to the mayor of Carmel or fisers wants to try to court me that would be really sad for me if you move outside of Indianapolis City well you tell whoever the mayor who's a wait do we have a new mayor coming in still hog did we vote on mayor whoever the person in charge of BR it's someone new I think I think there might be someone new cormick no she lost the governor run no I think we I think this shows our intelligence we we recorded this before the voting happened yeah yeah yeah uh no I don't think we actually V for May or this go around I think it's two years um but we voted actually last year for yes Jefferson we're getting back on the rail there we go we're back we're back um no I I think I'm GNA stay around broad rle but my plan is to never sell this one run it to other people obviously do all that I mean I bought it when I was 22 so I'll be like 52 and have a completely paid off house if I I'm upset I live in Broad I live in br kler br ruple kler I was going to say you can buy his the west of college bie no I used to be on the East and we did move to the west side it's really nice over there but my realtor told me when I bought my first house in Broad ruple broad ruple is always goodbye because they can't make New Lots here like it's impossible to add more real estate it's kind of like the McDonald's thing the land's more important than the actual physical building and it's always going to be desirable like that Midtown I mean maybe it goes to P basket but there's so much money concentrated to Hell in a hand basket oh okay I I've never heard of that like the actual strip is kind of struggling right now like we can maybe get into that or not but the residential areas are thriving like the most you know saying from the commercial aspect and Broad rle is struggling is that what you're referring to oh yeah oh the bar STP is struggling it's struggling a lot it's it's battling back there's some people that are to do how long it's been that they've like are they trying to repay it I I've never understood what's going on there traffic wise it just is a pain to drive up well yeah that's a piece of it I think there's a little bit of like danger and crime like when when there are people that get unfortunately like come deceased by hanging out in Broad rle it's not good for the community my uh wife's brother actually yeah not the end of that story wa your wife smiling I'm not smiling because it's awkward I just threw that out there your wife's brother got yeah that's he he uh they found him you know the Kroger off of Keystone they found him in the apartment complex next to the Kroger like but he was hanging out in broad rle that night I live you should out past midnight in brole I was we had had like a station at the broad hotel which is sick right on the Monon but we were out like past 11:30 at Plum SL shot it was weird stuff happening bro like I was like there was a lot there were the concentration of homeless people that was around me was alarming is it what the I don't know because in 2019 2020 right before Co we would have way too many beers in Broad rle and I would stumble home and I would never feel any sort of danger like that's what BR used to be yeah it was so F and the lines like you imagine lines from brothers that would go down past Good Fellas lines for Rock Lobster that would go around the corner and you had to like sneak in the back entrance lines from piano bar over to brother when we were in college it was like the peak it was it's come down since I feel like it's been a bell curve though cuz when that happened to uh her brother it was back in 2012 and then it's like come all the way full circle back around it almost feels like when 5 years ago 2019 2018 it was I mean I used to drop my brother off there I'm 23 so I was too young to be you know going to the bars but I would drop my brother off to go to Broad Ripple and pick him up and I can remember seeing that it was crazy it was like a zoo like in the best way possible so much fun it'll bounce back yeah it will I'm like really confident I think that there's going to be some turnover of some of the tenants there I think that if I could wave a magic wand I would bring some of the that so brro vibe up north a little bit you know where you have Soo is nicer like honestly the people with money spend their time at you know binkley's Upland and like 20 tap like exp fat dance Bulldog college kids going to the strip yeah so yeah I agree Soo needs to overtake but they're building really nice JC Hart you've talked to them they're building extremely nice apartment complexes right near there so I'm interested to see like this million dooll developments coming in as the commercial like landscape is going down like what's going to happen I mean all I'm saying is like there's too many important people in Indianapolis that have too much money invested in Brad rle to let it fail for sure right like I mean a11 group just put their new headquarters there you have the new apartment complex going up you have the coil you have the line you have all like you have audio Chuck right like their office is there where crime junkies is recorded like there are some legit players in the area Indie was like a crater in like the 80s and 90s the one bright spot was Brader bable it's always been the like St like the the gemm of the city of Indianapolis and now it's unfortunately like it needs some more love I think from the government and from the city in general I don't know if you hear this give love to Broad Ripple yeah yeah we need to we need to get Broad Ripple back make Broad Ripple great again yep question for you Nate um I know you're building a I know you actually just broke off and went fulltime bet on yourself with Nate what what's the name get in get Indiana get Indiana yes sir okay um what kind of paint a vision on what you're trying to build with that company oh what's the purpose of it the purpose of it that's a great question um I really want to at its route combat against Indiana's boring there's nothing to do here Indiana sucks blah blah blah like all this just like negative talk about the place in which we live um Adan was like I make content to fight that like I invite cool hooers on my podcast I go out and do social media videos promoting the most random things in Indiana or like doing challenges across the state to help people uncover and discover all the amazing stories that are being told here in Indiana um yeah so that's the goal is to just like help people see Indiana a little bit more the way I see it uh where it's all about the people in the community and there's so many cool things you just have to again put some effort in be creative and and make it happen what's the one thing you want your audience to um pay attention to that you're doing like if you could tell like like what's the main focus like for the audience like is it the social media the podcast what do you care the most about I'm just curious wow um cuz I wonder that I'm like oh I want to support Nate like I love what he's building like like I would say listening like I I think that the approach that I take to podcast is it's generic in the sense of yes we have the guests on and we talk for an hour and we just like talking about their life and different things but it's super unique in the fact that you get to learn and meet your neighbors that are also doing amazing things you know so when I bring on uh Doug bus for instance it's like yes we talk about A Day in the Life at the speedway and his his hour by hour agenda on race day like that's just a crazy cool thing but I also learned about the places that he grabs a beer at in zville or like where he likes to hang out at when he's here or there anywhere and like then you can see these people that you look up to and respect in in our community but also as like a normal human being who like gets a beer you know at you're kind of humanizing these local because that's the whole thing about Indiana right is your one phone call away from whoever listen to the podcast and you're going to learn a little bit more about Doug blls as a person not just as the like I run the speedway I do this I do that it's like oh no I like to hang out here um I do that and so then when you you know have to call them up and ask for a favor or do whatever do the Indiana thing that everyone does then you know them a little bit more as a person and then you can also support fellow hooers right you you learn about them who they are as a person what they're doing and like I think the whole like it would be really cool in two years one is when we draft another Caitlyn Clark the fever are calling me we're calling Nate and say hey Nate like we want you to uh to interview we want to put Caitlyn on your show new Caitlyn Caitlyn 2.0 on your show so the hooers will love her and we won't talk about basketball we'll just talk about growing up in Iowa and doing all that fun stuff and learning about who she is as a person um so that that's the kind of thing where I'm I'm super excited about of uncovering these stories of who people are because that's the Indiana thing I think between like you and Pat McAfee we could just put Indie way up on the map like you guys should be in a room together and Indies I wish are you see coming on the podcast uh you get I'm still a little bit ways away I got to let football season die down but I'm working on it he's traveling to like a bajillion places right now slowly dying down but I have to assume like my my guess is that he's an avid use of social media I bet one of my videos has been on his timeline at some point yeah has to be so or somebody over there what's your favorite part about working for yourself and what's your least favorite part about working for yourself yeah it's a huge transition isn't it the big transition uh yeah hu huge trans unemployed Tuesday you do whatever you want yes um and I always say like I thought I thought I was going to be an entrepreneur my whole life I don't think at 22 I was equipped like I wouldn't I didn't wake up at 5:00 a.m. then like I didn't have the discipline that I do now habits yeah like you have to like build this ground layer to be able to like get up and I'm still and I kind of like look at the office across the street so I'm my office is really really close to 811 group and I try to beat all them in because I'm lonely I the worst part is that you're lonely like you're working by yourself uh there's no one to tell you if they like it or don't like it especially working in content I just put it out there and see what people like so the it's the feedback glue and like celebrating wins or like losses is really tough that's part's kind of sucky I would say so that's I'm excited to like continue building so that I could hire people and have a team and do a whole thing um that part's probably the worst the best part is this the so funny it's like the exact opposite of that like I have no one to tell me what to do so if I wake up and I want to like like this morning I was like I really need to post that video about Jasper I really need to make and I just spent the morning editing a video All About Jasper and I saw Jasper was on my mind already and I spent you know two hours just like oh yeah let's talk about this like researching developing learning and the cool part is I get paid to be curious that's the best and worst part too like I could be on Monday be like I should really go build a duplex and like devote all my time and attention to like doing this thing and then I find out by Tuesday like that was a waste of resources like there's no one to tell me like like putting yourself on Rails I think that's where mentorship and some level accountability is really important well that's why I love Indie it's because you have just like you were talking everybody's a phone call away where you need that mentorship you need to be put back on Rails got the groups like I'm like a part of like six different groups that when you guys find the like uh building a local media business group in Indiana please let me know start that our producer AJ yeah well I got to get in a room with um Nate feltman from ibj and that's like probably like the closest comparison to what I want to build like a more modern version like kind of not focused on just business sticky ibj uh yeah like a mixture of if you took morning brew and combin it with ibj and have personality and it like I say that a great job it's also lifestyle stuff right so you know new restaurants all that fun stuff like cool things you can do uh but a media company where you know the people behind it right so if I hired Kim to be the Central Indiana mom blogger or whatever you know it's like oh like she works for get Indiana she likes you know she talks about this and how she raises her family in some or whatever so like in 3 years where do you want this business to be I want to I want to have 100,000 who your followers like that's like a piece where like from all across the state where it's like if I pull up to Fort Wayne there's you know 10,000 people that know or seen Nate Spangles content and have our household name household a household who's your name um which is like a little bit you know that's a little bit but a little bit but because yeah but that's like the scoreboard that's the nice part about of yeah and the nice part about uh having like entrepreneurship in in content it's like I can see the I see the scoreboard on the sales side and I see the scoreboard on The View side and the follower side so I know what I'm doing is working if we're growing followers or if we're growing sales um but so in in 3 five years more viewership that way I can look at this audience and say like what are the things that that are wrong what are people complaining about the most and how do I go fix that like if people like I literally have a thought like this is a video I'm going to leak it here but I'm going to do one where it's like uh I don't know if it'll be next summer or the summer after but like get an asphalt company and just like SP spend eight hours fixing as many potholes as I can and imagine you're literally going to do that yeah that's amazing like and be like okay so given like the pothole track like think think about the um think about like the the one the social media aspect of it it's like the number one complaint everyone has is the roads I spent eight hours and I fixed and so this so this would be the whole concept of the video I spent eight hours and I fixed 100 potholes in eight hours okay given the pothole tracker that's on like whatever the website is that like tracks them all there's there's 10,000 potholes in in Indianapolis it took me 10,000 or it took me $155,000 to fix these under like do the math equation so it's like if someone in the government cut a check for this much money me and my crew could get this all fixed in actually go you should have votes on each pocket on each little pothole on the on the tracker somehow have people vote on which ones fixed I think you could literally be the one to solve Indiana indianapolis's pothole problem I could you're the you're the White Knight to get it done and do the and then just and then just put the like put the public math on it where it's like hey because the thing that people hate about government right is they move slow slow moving I guess that's the same thing they move slow and they're not um effective with like everything's so much more expensive than it actually is if I go out there with a crew of four people and a freaking asphalt machine and just start slapping down one they're either going to tell me to stop and I'm going to get in trouble which will make the video do even better or two we're going to fix potholes in my neighborhood and my neighbors will all be happy with me like it have a good video to shoot from it like it's a win-win win bag mixed concrete incoming all a sudden yeah I just like screw up the roads they they go even worse than where they're at now that's hilarious suddenly I'm like I'm like canell because I ruined the streets at this more which would make the video do even better um how often do you just like embarrass the crap out of yourself making videos I feel like a lot of people want to get into social media but then they don't want to be walking around you know holding the camera dude that part's that part's brutal honestly and it doesn't get any better and you just have to accept it like I just accepted it or it's like I give them a preface like hey I'm about to pull my phone and record this thing for social media I put out videos y y like I give them a little preface and then I just like take a deep breath and get into character I would challenge you during the full Mo you were so natural maybe it's cuz you were comfortable around us to but like I was like you had no retakes you'd be like we're out here ripping on the Mona we just passed through car like you're just ripping it I'm like mean like when I'm in the middle of a grocery store and there's like a normal people around me and I'm like okay I'm about to do this and I just like pull it up and I'm like let's go you got to bring that same n spingle energy uh cuz it's just like you just feel a little like it is not embarrassing well this is g to sound really bad but it's like now I've gotten to a point where it works and I know that what I'm doing so I know that when I pull this out like I'm gonna make something that's great but then it's like everyone everyone wants to be a vlogger or whatever so then it like then I feel like I'm such an idiot for pulling this or having my trap B up and I'm like Lu your face is becoming more ubiquitous and people will give you permission if they're like oh I know this guy he does that yeah like we walk like yeah when we start to pull out a video people come up like oh my gosh like you make that like you made those videos and I'm like yeah they're oh my gosh you're doing one right here and then it's like when you're invited to like do it then it's cooler so let me get this straight why are you making videos in Kroger I not Kroger uh I like like at a local spot like any local place where you like pull out your phone all of a sudden people start to look at you a little funny and that Tinder sitting there smashing a Tinder loin and you know being and like someone like like why is this guy filming himself and like I don't carry a crew usually like I don't have like a camera guy so I just set up a tripod and like stare into it and I'm like yeah yeah this is great and then I go to try to record a house and I'm like here we are at 1 12 3 Main Street and have to take that seven times alone in the house alone in the house nobody worried about what the neighbors thinking the street right like it does get a little bit uhem I don't know if embarrassing is the right word but you just feel a little cringy uh but then and like especially early on all my friends would make fun of me like oh my gosh he's just gonna post about this on inag but then we started getting free [ __ ] right so like so and so invites us and gives us concert tickets to go to rock the ruins so and so invites us to go ice skating we get to do go uh on the field for a Colts game and then they sto making fun of you when I start inviting my friends to all this stuff and so now they're like hey do you want me to take the video for you and and all you need is one person like if I have a camera person with me I feel immensely less uh cringey I feel like you're good at recruiting your friends to be your your yes with free experience I like I like dangle the carrot of free experiences to come and like hey if you record this then we get to do this for it's got to be quite an adventure like being your friend oh yeah it's okay so I have a I have a theory about being my friend uh and I have a theory just that like I think more human beings need I am the king this is going to again sounds a little conceited but it's just who I am I am the king of doing things where people can come support me and I think that more human beings like my friends are the best friends ever like they're so good but I also give them the opportunity I would love to show up to watch all my friends run in a marathon or host a tailgate event or go to like go to their like real estate event or whatever it is but not enough people put themselves like on a stage where I can clap for you and I'm just like one of the easiest persons to clap for because I'm always doing something that involves getting people out like throwing a first pitch or hosting a tailgate or running a race or doing something crazy where I'm like on a stage or like in the spotlight where then like my friends come and oh my gosh good job like I love what you're doing like great work and I think that that a lot of people go their whole lives like let's say you're not that type of person and you don't have like the best boss you don't get enough like good jobs or positive affirmations or like you know way to go like out of boys uh it's like a ripple effect right because I mean you would agree you you're with me every day I'm very much an introvert and hopping on and doing four master classes this year was a huge stretch goal and each one like figuring and finding a voice to do it and get in front of 150 people I think that's the excuse that a lot hide behind like giving you the other perspective it's like man how am I going to get in front of that room I don't know I'm going to say yeah and I think behind that so I relate to you I tend to be like invite people to my things I do it a lot very easily it's natural but I think there's a level of actual um I think there's habits and disciplines in um showing up for yourself behind that to know like I'm worthy of like doing this cool thing and everyone loving that like I think it's like not to get like too deep but I think it's a lot of it's like selfworth and self love is the gap for a lot of people they haven't proven to themselves that people should show up and care about what they're doing and once you prove it yourself that's the win it's all downhill from there it's my theory yeah we were talking about theories we were talking uh before the episode you were giving him crap actually he was giving himself crap you weren't even doing anything to him he was just saying I don't show up enough to Wednesday morning to run at 5:00 a.m. and he's like I might show up tomorrow or I you me you just like I don't know I I don't know if you get a lot of good sleep but like I'm like a wimp like if I don't go to bed by like 9:00 I'm like I'm not showing up I'm I'm a little baby about my sleep I don't know like how you just like I'm always showing up even if it's 15 degrees and because it's like if I if it's just me like if it was just me tomorrow morning I'm not David gaggin like I won't get out of bed and go do it but it's because I value my word so much and I always uh transfer from passive language to very concrete like I will be at new SHO tomorrow morning and because I told people that I would do it I'm there and that like just is so important to me where it's like I don't I don't even give myself the chance to be like I might or I may be it's like I if I say I will do it I will do it and if I don't say I'm you called me out I said I should be there myself an out cuz then you always have to thing like oh something like it's so easy especially your voice in your head at 5: in the morning you it's like it's so like no man you really need this rest oh yeah and then I've even taken some principles from the goggin where it's like the the little thing your voice says where it's like it's 5:30 like I'm you say it out loud like sleeping in right now will help me achieve my goals and you like literally say those words out loud and it's like then I hear myself I'm like you freaking baby always like pumped by the time like we're out there running we talk and like build each other up it it's the best day of the week whenever I get out there and do the 5:30 and it's you've never gone and be like gosh I wish I didn't go you know what I'm saying never how many mornings have you not gone and been like I should have freaking been there I run alone and I'm like this sucks I'm running alone wow I love it the op to sleep in to then end up running alone but what you what you've done is insulated yourself to have to show up for other people in that like two minutes ago you're talking about how you wish that you could show up for more people but it's like putting that on getting the people out to go run with you is the purpose and saying I'm going to be there is that's huge I just think there's like I call it like uh the Applause Theory or whatever it is where it's like do whether it's like you know go take do a piano recital or whatever it is where you can invite like two or three people that are important to you and they can like clap for you and cheer you on whether it's a race or a concert or trivia night or whatever the thing is I think it's so important and so many people can go their most of their adult life and get zero good jobs or ad boys or Applause and I think that it's so impactful for like their worth like building themselves up that's why running just showing up to run and run in the morning is huge like it's a small win and those small do add up and yeah and it's like the straa the Kudos the social media like those little things like they're silly but they also like oh you know like my friends like see what I'm doing and I feel way more now that I get like an average of seven or eight Kudos I used to get like zero I feel like the the man like that's made my year yeah freaking Kudos and people on stra like people on Instagram are stingy with their likes and their follows people aren't stingy on Strava it's a way better social media I I have I have Instagram mostly always deleted I only go on to post which is not the best for engagement but when I'm bored I'll I'll actually use straa as my social media I've commented on everyone's R I'm I'm like so candid on straa 2o like now that I'm not I'm pretty on don't know if I follow you on Strava yes we definitely do we have to but I like I like do Post like heel clicking videos or like just like silly things that probably wouldn't make the gram but it's like it's tra like it's tra I love it so we're the rails here but I love it if it all boils back down to running for the habits what kind of guy that can't run to build the habits what can you do you I don't know I mean I am oh like literally what can I do walk I can lift weight can you Ruck uh I have no idea what rucking is will you like put on a really heavy backpack and March like a soldier that might your heart rate a little bit too high but yeah probably would probably would throw the heart rate up dude I he's literally allergic to running I don't know if everyone out there look knows this but that's crazy we to think on that yeah find Cold plunge cold PL I mean that's what I do I lift early in the morning cold plunge sauna and that that helps but yeah like stuff that's hard and challenging and even like creating content around it I watch everybody you know post about running and all that like it's such an easy layup in the morning the habit but like I can only take a picture of the YMCA so many times it's like the Y which one uh one in Avon oh I'm not on the west yeah live in D small town Danville y the seat of H we need we need a reel on Danville we might have to they're growing they're grow like wildfire I think in the one you posted on Friday 14,000 was the population on there uh for the ranking I feel like that's going to be 2x for the next census yeah like wow so our Master just to reveal where we want our master plan is just like Blitz stanville like be like the ma the main real estate company there because we don't want to like we don't be like Avon Brownsburg planville it's like that's too much effort to like try to we're like full force we're going to put a billboard just like mailer just go full force and like take over Danville in Danville to be the main real estate Source you already here Danville you're going to be using neity come on we're already there call me I'm two seconds away Nate this has been awesome um let's go ahead and kind of land This Plane yeah we have a couple rapid fire questions for you um inspired by you in fact so Tyler hit him with the first one heck yeah what's the best brunch spot in Indy brunch uh breakfast brunch well there's only one answer and anyone who disagrees is probably wrong uh specifically for the north side of India you have to go to Cafe patatu uh it is the correct answer 49th and Pen um I just had Martha Hoover on the podcast I'll be releasing it in 2025 phenomenal guest she she's like oh man she was a litigator she was I think an economics undergrad like we talked about growing restaurant we also talked about like uh the value equation of food and I was just like Blown Away where it was like so many people like you need to like P Patu is expensive like for for sure you know it's like it's not you know I also love Keystone Diner don't get me Twisted but like Cafe Patu what she wants to do is reframe the value equation it's like yes you could get 18 McDoubles or whatever for the price of a patatu omelette but like what's going in there like like just this whole thing of value where like the ingredients that you get and the way we Source our food and like all the way down the equation you know like like this is not beef that is however McDonald's gets their beef I have no idea I'm not going to put any speculation out there but she like all the way up the chain we take better care of our supply chain and that's why it is you know it's you're paying for the value of not just the food that's right in front of you but like this whole uh this whole side of the business model which makes sense for people that have money to afford it yeah I've just decided like I don't care how much it costs for that omelet like make it a business write off and I'm going there every week oh so he knows I always have business meeting there cinnamon sourdough oh every time every time Hipp with the bins yes I mean there's a few elements that are good yeah yeah yeah running and food this podcast not had much me and just rip on we need to start our own podcast yeah yeah run and food yeah the the north north of downtown South of 465 pie it's a culture yeah it's a lifestyle one day you'll get there Max yeah maybe maybe possibly I can be like you uh what's one one habit that's changed your life waking up early every day I have my alarm set for 459 um big 5:00 a.m. Club yeah well and I I specifically do it at 459 so I can be one minute better than the people who wake up at 5 um I'm sorry that was funny no right it's how I am it's just like the type of person that I am like like there's something crazy about getting up or setting your alarm for a time with a four on it like it just like 455 personally I'll prove it after you do 455 wow built from the same CL sh I got to go 44 now I'm going to text at 4:43 tomorrow yeah of course you will uh no like seriously waking up early changed my life in like business like happiness like like productivity everything uh there's just something special like I go like working out like I get up and I go work out at 540 class at Genesis it's like my gym that I go to it's great um then I'm like right now I'm in wrestling season so I go from I wake at 5: at 5:30 5:40 I'm in the gym at like 6:20 I leave and I go to chard my wrestlers are rolling in for their morning workout at 6:30 so then I've already had my workout they're coming in for their morning workout and they're like holy cow my coach has already hit his like hey yeah and then they go to school and then I'm still like one of the first people in the broad rle area that's like going to work and I love it like it it's just a life-changing experience like whether it's waking up to go to run Club waking up to go to work out at the gym getting up and moving has been one of our last guests said the same thing Nick Jani I love the uh I love that you're still involved in the wrestling I mean and and from high school I still coach swimming with out in damville and yeah waking up in the morning and getting there if you watch the high schoolers just hit a workout right and you haven't you haven't moved at all it's like oh my God I'm so lazy yeah right like I'm sitting in the the white chair on the pool deck just you know not I start working out with them like I I got to go you know I see him moving and I want to move but yes dude and and I was like have have you ever seen someone that wakes up at 5:00 a.m. that's unsuccessful no I I haven't seen and people that work out regularly like every week can and you can frame your your take of what success is but if there's someone who wakes up every day early they are successful in some aspect of their life some aspect they may not like love their job but like they could be killing it with their hobbies and family just a huge win you know like like the I think of like the best dads were the ones that like wake up early and like go get donuts for everyone before they were like they wake up early and do their thing or go to work or like do all the stuff I don't think any of us would be sitting at this table if we didn't get up early and go chase our goals well that's actually kind of sorry if Mom and Dad if you're watching this all the way through but that's like growing up that's what led me to entrepreneurship is I watched them wake up at 9:00 and 10 on the weekends and in that phase of their life they would tell you they were both overweight and complacent like they weren't happy but you're one of those people that does the opposite most people fall their footsteps I I like didn't like that I was like I don't don't like this so I started waking up trying to wake up early as a kid and doing that but I see the two different passes you I sorry if you're like to sleep in or whatever like I see the most successful people wake up early and get their [ __ ] day moving sorry I said the f- word but like like you got to get going we don't have many kids have two more until we're you know PG for yeah right sorry sorry sorry but I used to get like so like fired up about it cuz it's like just do the thing like you know what like success is right behind there just like set your alarm early get up and that's where you're going to be successful I'm okay with like some people won't do it and they won't get it and that's just how it goes he used to bug me like people who like didn't take initiative I'm like a large part of the population will never yeah and you Le like you're great like you're a good employee it's whatever congrats like they're still worthwhile as a human but now I have like the ultimate trump card if my alarm goes off at 5 and I look over wife's breastfeeding already up with a kid I'm like oh I'm so lazy this is true so lazy she's like breastfeeding is like walking seven miles a day that's what the toll on the ISAT a lot and they have to eat a lot they have to they're tired they don't get any sleep they're G average my get like four hours a night women in child birth and child rearing is way harder than any of the [ __ ] we're talking about yeah it's way harder you guys the ex impressive the sleep deprivation and what you have to balance you're raising a kid like well still saying like attempting to stay sane is nuts all the anxieties go into it and everything but I love when I walk out for my workout and leave the house cuz I don't to deal with the baby anymore no I love my I love my son but no like yeah I really do love like the transition to work cuz I'm like okay I got to focus on well you get your why in the morning too like immediately it's just like an immediate hit on the record like I love the time I spent yeah yeah no no no one think that but I give like it's like a good it's a change of pace for sure yeah last question what is an area of life you're currently focused on growing oh man I could go a few different ways here here

um I'm really working on being present I think that is it's so easy to fall into when you're packing your schedule like back to back to back to back where it's like if I sit in a meeting with someone and it's like am I already am I thinking about this podcast and how to be here with you guys right now or am I thinking about the next thing I have to go do or the next thing I have to go do and all of a sudden like you look back and it's like I hate when someone how's your day and I'm like I don't even remember what I did and I do have a lot of days like that um where it's like it's like am I showing up the best that I can for everyone there and and that's like the AG old habit of like when I'm trying to show up for everyone like I'm trying to like go do a million things and promote a 100,000 small towns in Indiana and like then you like half ass promote 100,000 of them versus like really humming it in with 10 of them you know know or having 10 coffee meetings versus having one a week and like making it really impactful so that's like a big Focus for for 2025 is slowing down and being present like not slowing down as in like you know like oh I'm burning out or anything like that but like I want to make sure that if I'm giving you if you set up and get an hour of time like I would instead of doing you know five coffees Monday through Friday I'd rather do two where they're great and book all the way out to like February mhm right that way I can actually be there and take something away from the conversation give something to the conversation and the other piece is like uh being timely when when I'm like back to back to back and not present and all these things I'm like 15 minutes late here and 15 minutes late there and like that's not the type of person I want to be and it's I used to think people were late because they were lazy and I'm like I'm not I'm late because I'm trying to fit like another thing in like I'm like oh I can finish editing this say no more if it's not a hell Cen no yeah like I can already tell like your time like Nick Giuliani who's a very successful real estate investor like said that like if it's not a hell yes it's a no and he said like by far and way time is his most constrained resource and you're there like you just made the transition really quick I I feel so bad when someone reaches out because I remember being the person reaching out like I remember being the person that was like oh could can I have 10 minutes and it's like then then there are and this is but just don't go back like what I've done not to to try to tell you what to do here is I have a I have a um not a quota but a limit so I don't do more than one coffee meeting a day because when I do two back toback or even three worst case scenario have you done I phone it in yeah bro but the by half the third one it's like all I'm thinking about is like I got to get to the bathroom and I got to get out of this so people when they ask to meet coffee with me I send a date a month out and I feel bad but I don't really because when I show up I show up and you're my only coffee me that day like it's all about you that chunk of the day that works for me so I just schedule out and and then if it's not important you don't schedule it out it must have not been important yeah yeah right and if it's not if we if it's there'll be a few times where I try to fit something in here there whatever but it's like and I I set like a home base which I know you hate it but like if you're getting coffee with me it's smart for like I would say are just different home bases shout out to Blue Mine coffee oh Gold Leaf there you go uh but I like I'll be at Java House like if you like some days before I had my office I was there like every day you could just like hey you want to get coffee with me just show up and sit down um the other thing I'm thinking about is doing like let's say 10 young entrepreneurs reach out a year or whatever it is instead of doing 10 different coffees it's like hey how about five of us get together this quarter and five of us get together next quarter just like because you're going to ask the same thing and I'm going to share probably the same information um and it's kind of like at some level that's kind of what our master classes are and having the happy hours it's like for the people that just want the the information or to be close we have we had to create the spaces for those because but it's a community and it's theer thing to do right to say yes to everybody to go and have all those coffee like Doug Bulls isn't sitting down like I couldn't get on Facebook and you know message Doug bulls and him it took me like multiple multiple times like and I think that's what people like get nervous about with like networking or shooting your shot or whatever like I dm' him on Instagram I dm' him on LinkedIn I've sent him emails and it like finally took getting the right introduction where someone was like oh you got you know you got 750,000 views for the speedway like yeah maybe you're worth our time right and you kind to I had to like prove myself before I could get and then when he came in it was like uh he might not even know like I think you know when you like don't respond to someone and like you see the DMS and stuff like I think you know that like I know when I don't do that but like we just act like nothing happened it's fine like whatever that is actually hilarious that just happen social I try not to be that guy cuz like I don't want someone to come like you didn't respond to my like I try to respond to all DMs like I try to like respond to most comments unless they're just like heinous that might be the the one downfall you have is like you're just too nice yeah if you have a downfall yeah no for sure your time could get fritted away pretty easily I do end up spending it on like I need the I need the C I need maybe I need to have a kid soon that way I can have like the C out like family time all the time family time but it's like I don't I don't want to lie I'm not spending time like I'm you probably get literally you get I guarantee like 20 times more the DMS as me but even though I get two or three a day and it's like that's a lot to manage and it's like a lot of times people that that just how do I say that in a in a nice way right ding you right now yeah it's like oh you want me to like like hey will you promote like I need to make better systems maybe of like responding to these or like because there's some where they want me to promote something and they have no budget and they have no and they just want me to like come to the I would just ignore that message let's reframe that who should be reaching out to you oh um if you are one above them above and all if you're a hooer with a really cool story or you know a hooer with a really cool story and I'm not not talking about like I'm talking about like legitimately like noteworthy like this is the person who was sleeping in the ditch and now is running a company or has just done some incredible things that the that the state needs to know about um whether it's business or you know uh art culture pop whatever it is people that are doing amazing things I want to talk to them the other piece would be if you are uh someone with an advertising budget and you're trying to get in front of hooers we have a newsletter with 5,000 subscribers we have podcast we have social media and we're building that up more and more each week so if you have let's say the end of the year or whenever this comes out beginning of the year you have extra advertising budget um well I think more people need to know about real estate master class and we need Nate's help there pitching him on the spot right the contct yeah uh no I actually I love what you guys do like I I went to that and and a little bit of like I would say I'm I've become less active in real estate investing but I you know like you guys are my friends truthfully we see it as Community Building within the real estate like everyone in real estate for the most part is in a silo like building their own independent thing and if I see it almost as like real estate Church like come in we're going to Build You Up equip you and send you out fired up that's just the goal exactly and you like learn something cool you meet new people like every industry needs a community like that and you guys are just taking a really modern approach to it which I think is super cool and I show up like I for I you come I come because I'm friends with you guys and I want to support you and the things that you do and then I end up leaving like oh I learned a lot of stuff there and like that's interesting and like I this is the my ailles heels like I walk out of there like I need to go buy another house now and then like then like the then I'm like oh that's going to take a lot of work and I'm like okay I'll just chill for a little bit every time we have like an expert speaker come up they we ask them like what's your regret they're like that I didn't buy more real estate in 2010 or 2008 or 2001 when a lot of people started buying and that makes me think like they're going to be saying that right now like about 2024 believe it or not but nobody thinks that they're like it's all gonna I'm going off on a tangent so I'll stop I promise but like average person thinks we're on a bubble that's gonna pop which is total BS Indianapolis is not on a bubble but are we on the pre I'll be looking for a real I'm going in strong I'm taking all my internet money and putting it into real estate there you have it uh take your internet money and build real estate business that that's the key right I would say like I I talk a lot and then the whole thing is about like investing and Building Wealth it's like find ways to like I'm finding ways to make money digitally and online but then I'm parking it in things like real estate um it's TR and true like I'm talking to my my buddy he owns a farm in Northern Indiana and I like want to get to like owning Farmland I'm I'm very very interested in that can be a huge cheat code the most innate spend investment and I it so much more about Farmland living out in Danville and like engaging in the community like literally I'm learning about how zoning and everything Ro Roots needs to sponsor the Danville FFA yeah okay if this clip I love how modern we are versus how traditional that is if this clip gets 50,000 views on Instagram Roots reality is going to sponsor the Danville FFA drive your tractor to school day you heard it here first they they are taking over Danville Max Max I mean it has to be like what a $500 sponsorship like it might be wor for just for the clip it's true do it that's a great way to just the clip of the the lawnmowers coming in Nate this has been amazing we've meandered a thousand turns here but thanks for coming on the podcast this is awesome dude I appreciate you guys keep up the good work and we will see you at the next ruds investor master class or Nate spangle media event uh yeah we'll see you probably around Indie 500 time we'll see you in May right [Music]